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Pseudo Stupidity · Post by **Pseudo Stupidity** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:41 pm

He's a lot of fun, and probably the most direct counter to Blue Ezreal there is (bandage toss range = his Q range and CCs him for 3 seconds if you ult after). If you land a bandage toss in any lane it should be a kill or flash, just make sure you activate W if bandage will hit then auto -> tantrum in ganks for maximum damage. Amumu early ganks depend on landing bandage and getting the red slow off. You basically kill anyone who crosses river if you can land it and your laner isn't dead or too low to fight.

Learn his new ult range too, I missed so many people because I'd flash between champs and end up whiffing one or the other when the old ult would have hit.

Korgan0 · Post by **Korgan0** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:35 am

Two questions: Do you think a smiteless blue is a good idea, and what do you think of going Rylai's/Liandry's on Amumu?

Pseudo Stupidity · Post by **Pseudo Stupidity** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 12:04 pm

Smiteless blue whenever possible, unless you suspect your blue was warded and they could possibly smite it away from you.

Rylai's Liandrys is a waste on Amumu, worse damage than a single deathcap and not enough tank stats for the money. The slow is nice, but you're mostly aoe so it's a very small slow.

The best way to build Amumu is a CDR, sustained damage tank/initiator. Rylai's and Liandry's don't contribute enough to that. Amumu's sustained damage comes from his W (which scales 1% max hp/second per 100 ap, making Deathcap way better than Liandrys if you have any AP at all) and his kit is mostly initiation so you don't need a lot of help with it. CDR gives Amumu more stuns, damage, and the ability to teamfight more frequently.

You'll almost never hit full build (or even 3 full items as a jungler), so your damage is usually an abyssal scepter/sunfire cape and your kit's high base damage.

Edit: Oh yeah, start with W, then max E and then Q. W isn't much damage until later in the game, and it doesn't even gain all that much from levels.

Korgan0 · Post by **Korgan0** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:11 pm

I always maxed W second, since I figured the lower CD on his Q wouldn't do that much, since it's basically just an initiation tool.

nockermensch · Post by **nockermensch** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:12 pm

I just wanted to say that I'm lvl 21 now and I'm finally a consistent positive factor in unranked matches with Veigar. I won about 2/3 of the last 20 matches and on most games there's at least one OMGWTFBBQ moment where Veigar turns a team-fight into a massacre, usually by demolishing the ADC and/or mage and locking the rest of the enemies into an Event Horizon for my team to finish them off - my assists are always higher than my kills.

I'm starting to notice the benefits of teamplay: I've been in both a match were my team dominated on the laning phase and got crushed once the team fights started and in the reverse: In a moment my team was calling me a feeder for basically dying every single fucking time Fizz decided to attack and in the next Fizz got useless, because I was standing way back, behind Tryndamere, and in the moment Fizz landed from his irritating backflips he got stuck in an event horizon and killed by my team.

Also, after being destroyed by a competent Talon player I went and bought him with excess IP. On the first game vs. bots I got amazed at how easily Talon cut fools down, but I hadn't the same luck on the two vs. player matches so far. So much to learn...

Pseudo Stupidity · Post by **Pseudo Stupidity** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:13 pm

Korgan0 wrote:I always maxed W second, since I figured the lower CD on his Q wouldn't do that much, since it's basically just an initiation tool.

Your Q is also your primary CC aside from your ult. Its cd drops by 2 seconds per rank, and it has stupid base damage. If your ult is down you're contributing through Qs, so having it up twice in a fight is a big deal compared to just having it once in a fight.

Lokathor · Post by **Lokathor** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:01 am

Pseudo Stupidity wrote:So that item planning thing doesn't get saved on the servers apparently, because you need to set it for each computer you use.

Yes, it's client-side for now. Though they've said that they plan to migrate it to being server-side in the future, but they want to get it working at all to begin with.

Korgan0 · Post by **Korgan0** » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:17 am

So, I picked up Vayne, and finally got around to playing her a couple of days ago, and she's really dang good.

Pseudo Stupidity · Post by **Pseudo Stupidity** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:33 am

Vayne gets a lot of shit about her laning phase by people who don't play Vayne.

She's not getting any awards for being good in lane, but she's very hard to hit with skill shots and has an awesome all-in at 6 if they don't pink things to ruin the safety your ult gives.

Talon: He's atrocious against ranged auto attackers until level 3, then he starts instagibbing the other mid at 6. He's like Fizz but without skillshots or escapes, so he's super binary in that he either fucks the other guy up or gets denied.

Update on the adventures of Platmumu: I'm now 5-0 with Amumu since I started picking him again and have been absolutely running games. My games are back to having a bunch of diamonds in them every time because fuck logic. (for example, one game today the other jungler was a diamond II player, the other players on his team were DII, DIV, DIII. My team had two DIII and a couple plat Is).

New normal build is wait around in jungle until kill/assist, -> mobis even if I can't afford a spirit stone with it. Then I get 6 and gank until we can get dragon or I have enough gold to get stone + crystal (ideally go right for ancient golem). Then I buy glacial shroud because I want more CDR (would get negatron if enemy AP was ever fed or they ran a triple AP comp).

The goal is to get Q on a sub-7 second CD fast to give myself a lot of map pressure through frequent bandage tosses. With 40% CDR rank 5 bandage toss is a 4.7 second. That's a nuke + stun + gap closer on a 4.7 second CD.

Pseudo Stupidity · Post by **Pseudo Stupidity** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:32 pm

Double post because fuck it.

I don't always play Amumu, but when I do I first pick him and carry Plat III duos by going 9-0-17 against Diamond IVs.

6-0 since I started picking him again, and it's almost always because my ganks are successful so I get a level advantage that lets me win skirmishes (and then I run around forcing them). Amumu provides so much pressure once you get boots of mobility it's ridiculous. You don't even need to be tanky early, you just need to pick your fights well.

Also, people are banning Vayne now. I guess those Draven and Cait nerfs left her without anyone who can really harass her out of lane and avoid her all-ins. I think people might start picking Ashe again to fix the Vayne problem.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:18 pm

I think Twitch actually still beats her out of lane, but no one knows how to play him well enough to do it.

Korgan0 · Post by **Korgan0** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:27 am

I'm imagining a Vayne/Twitch lane and all I can see are pink wards. Pink wards, everywhere.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:37 am

Korgan0 wrote:I'm imagining a Vayne/Twitch lane and all I can see are pink wards. Pink wards, everywhere.

Yeah, the pink ward battle can get pretty epic in some lanes.

icyshadowlord · Post by **icyshadowlord** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:34 am

...is there a DotA thread here somewhere? I know nothing about LoL.

Pseudo Stupidity · Post by **Pseudo Stupidity** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:11 pm

I played DotA back when it was a WC3 mod, but I stopped when I got tired of the community because I couldn't just pick cool shit and enjoy it. I never got very good (I was a dumb kid and stuff) so I dropped it quick. Then a friend told me about League years later and showed me I could totally dick around in it and win with stupid builds and it was fun.

Is DotA II good, and does anyone even play regular DotA anymore? WC3 was so fun.

Also, 7-0 with Amumu in ranked now and rapidly approaching Diamond promotions again. Nerf pls.

Nachtigallerator · Post by **Nachtigallerator** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:04 pm

DotA2 is very much like DotA1. The difference is mostly snazzy graphics and new voice acting. They haven't ported the last few heroes yet, but gameplay is essentially the same. There are are few detail differences about things like orb effects and spell interactions that weren't possible on the WC3 engine.

The biggest difference I noticed is that you don't get shouted at as much by the other players. It still does happen, but the reporting feature does seem to help with that. What annoys me now is people whining occasionally on the public channel about how it was totally their team's/your fault, and the constant begging for commendations. Otherwise, the community is way better.

I play DotA2 on occasion, but I'm largely just fooling around. Still fun. ^^

...You Lost Me · Post by **...You Lost Me** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:40 pm

I hate vayne and need to beat her in lane. Anyone got tips?

In other news, amumu is starting to get banned again in my silver games. Pity that.

MGuy · Post by **MGuy** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:11 am

...You Lost Me wrote:I hate vayne and need to beat her in lane. Anyone got tips?

In other news, amumu is starting to get banned again in my silver games. Pity that.

MF and Varus (possibly twitch) are the only adcs that give me any trouble at all. Having a good, solid supporter also helps a lot if she just doesn't have the time or ability to freely chase you down. Also stay away from walls. I find if I can hit someone into a wall that is an opportunity to at AT LEAST get 1/2 their HP.

Korgan0 · Post by **Korgan0** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 5:21 am

Yeah. Stay away from walls. If you're an ADC that trades well (graves, MF, Varus) you can afford to play somewhat aggressively pre-6, but come 6 she has a surprisingly strong all-in, so be careful.

Pseudo Stupidity · Post by **Pseudo Stupidity** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:46 pm

Beating Vayne in lane is basically a 3 step process.

1. Pick somebody with longer range than her.

2. Attack her every time she tries to CS.

3. All in her once your support can lock her up/burst her down.

Vayne's support can shore up her weaknesses, but she's always going to be very vulnerable to harass in lane. Cait is still fine against her, but I think Ashe has an easy time landing harass (50 more range auto + volley) and can follow up on the harass easier because of the slows. You don't want to trade with Vayne because she has an auto attack reset, but you can get free damage whenever she goes for a creep.

Vayne's a good duelist, but she's not going to duel you in a creep wave early unless she wants to die. She's getting banned because BotRK makes her dueling so strong you can't possibly survive a reasonable engage against her, whereas before she was just a very good duelist with a stealth ult who could also melt tanks.

Amumu: Lost 3 games in a row after the 7 wins. In my defense, two of those were with duos who were just...wow, but that's no excuse not to carry. People are picking Janna more now too, which is making it really hard to play Amumu (she can Q your Q, and she can just ult your team away when you initiate) as an early pick.

icyshadowlord · Post by **icyshadowlord** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:43 pm

Why do I keep getting Russian players on my team in DotA 2? All they do is get themselves killed.

Also, to those who wondered about the differences between DotA 1 and DotA 2, one would be that Nai'x / Lifestealer has been reworked.

icyshadowlord · Post by **icyshadowlord** » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:44 pm

Why do I keep getting Russian players on my team in DotA 2? All they do is get themselves killed.

Also, to those who wondered about the differences between DotA 1 and DotA 2, one would be that Nai'x / Lifestealer has been reworked.

Starmaker · Post by **Starmaker** » Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:56 am

icyshadowlord wrote:Why do I keep getting Russian players on my team in DotA 2? All they do is get themselves killed.

Probably bad regional matchmaking.

Pseudo Stupidity · Post by **Pseudo Stupidity** » Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:18 pm

Dear Riot,

I get that you're supposed to start gaining lp slower as you get closer to promotions, but when I'm the only fucking plat player and literally everyone else is Diamond IV and above, could I please get more than 6 lp for winning? That'd be swell. That'd be super fucking swell. Then again, my most recent lost was only -4 lp...

Pseudo Stupidity · Post by **Pseudo Stupidity** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:48 pm

People stopped banning Shen, so I learned him.

Who beats Shen in lane? Everything Shen does is incredibly strong for laning. He can force you into minion aggro while he heals for hitting you AND gives himself a shield. He does that on cooldown because he's an energy champ, so he can do it EVERY WAVE. He trades so hard so frequently, and can still help his team anywhere.

Oh, and he gets 10% of his max health as damage every few hits, so you don't need to build any more damage than a Sunfire cape.

Such a safe pick, and a strong one. I highly recommend Shen to everyone.